In December 2004, iolo technologies offered me $50,000 a year to write ASP.NET. I had made it clear my number was $90,000, and I’d already given them a weekend. Their one-page spec for a “development sample” said the work “should not exceed two days,” so I spent a Saturday and a Sunday on it. The offer came at the second interview, on a piece of paper the man across the table slid over to me face down.
iolo was a software company, then based in Pasadena, founded in 1998 and best known for System Mechanic, a PC tune-up utility. By 2013 System Mechanic was carried in more than 23,000 retail storefronts, and that November Marlin Equity Partners bought iolo and folded it into Phoenix Technologies, the PC firmware company it had picked up three years earlier. RealDefense, a Pasadena holding company, bought iolo in 2020. In 2004 it had a CIO, a suite on North Sierra Madre Boulevard, and a hiring process that routed candidates’ source code to Human Resources.
The spec arrived the same day as the first interview, with an apology for the delay, because the go.com address on my résumé had stopped working. That’s how long ago this was. iolo wanted a contact manager. Each contact needed a first name, a last name and an email address, and could belong to zero, one or more groups. The back end had to live in its own class library, with an ASP.NET front end to list, add, edit and remove. “Complete what you can in two days and provide notes about how you would extend / improve this application,” it said.
I wrote it in VB.NET, a perfectly ordinary choice for ASP.NET in 2004. The spec never named a language. After I turned it in, the CIO wrote back. “Thanks for submitting the code. My only concern is that I’m hiring for someone to do development in ASP.NET with C#, not VB.NET. Are you familiar with C# as well?” I was, and I said so. We set a date for the second interview, and he confirmed in three words. “See you then.”
That second interview is the part I still can’t explain. A sheet of paper came across the table, face down, with a number on the back. Who does that? An offer is an email. This was a developer job, not a merger, and nobody in that room needed the Wall Street theater. I turned it over. It said $50,000.
That’s 44 percent below the number I’d given them. Run both through the Bureau of Labor Statistics consumer price index and it’s roughly $88,500 against $159,000 in today’s dollars. I stood up and walked out laughing. I had driven from the San Fernando Valley to Pasadena twice and spent a weekend on their sample app, and all of it bought me a number they could have put in an email.
I learned my lesson. Ever since, I cap the free time I give any company.
Interviewing Got Cheap. For One Side.
The industry line is that AI interviewers, automated coding tests and take-home projects make hiring faster and fairer, and that a candidate who won’t sit for them must not want the job very badly. That’s just a bunch of baloney. What these tools actually do is move the cost of an interview off the company’s books and onto yours.
An interview used to cost the company an hour of someone senior for every hour of yours. That was the brake. It’s hard to justify a sixth round when it means pulling the VP of engineering off a release. Take the company’s side of the meeting away and the brake goes with it. Apriora, a Y Combinator-backed startup that sells an AI interviewer, pitched employers on interviewing “93 percent cheaper,” because its bot can talk to many candidates at once. That 93 percent is the employer’s cost. Yours didn’t move.
I build conversational agents for a living, including one that plans weddings for a Las Vegas wedding chapel. At current model pricing, a thirty-minute voice session costs a company a few dollars, often less. It costs the candidate thirty minutes plus whatever it took to prepare, and the candidate is the only party in that conversation who can’t be run in parallel.
When something gets cheap, people use more of it. Ashby, which sells applicant tracking software, published its 2026 Talent Trends Report in April. Companies hiring for technical roles now interview an average of 17.6 applicants per hire, 52 percent more than in 2021. For each technical hire, roughly sixteen and a half other people were interviewed and went home with nothing. Ashby tracks the company’s side of that too, 23.3 hours of interview time per technical hire. The candidates’ hours aren’t in the report.
Greenhouse, another applicant tracking vendor, surveyed 2,950 job seekers in five countries for a report it released this May. Sixty-three percent had already been interviewed by an AI, up 13 points in six months. Among the 1,200 U.S. respondents, 70 percent were never clearly told up front that an AI would be evaluating them, 38 percent had walked away from a hiring process because it included one, and of those who finished an AI interview, 51 percent never heard back. Daniel Chait, Greenhouse’s CEO, said so in the company’s own press release. “Most AI in hiring today is making a bad system worse.”
Retail has a name for the customer who walks the floor, handles everything, eats a salesperson’s afternoon and leaves without buying. Good salespeople learn to spot the window shopper early. Candidates have to learn the same thing.
The Horror Stories Got Automated
A college-age job seeker who goes by Ken on TikTok posted video of her first-round interview for a Stretch Lab fitness studio in Ohio, and in May 2025 it went viral. The interviewer was Apriora’s AI. Partway through, it started repeating “vertical bar Pilates,” about fourteen times in under thirty seconds, slurring and scrambling the words, according to 404 Media and Futurism. “This was the first meeting ever,” she said. “I guess I was supposed to earn my right to speak to a human.” Apriora now does business as Alex. Its homepage says it has interviewed a million candidates and raised $20 million “to help AI hire more humans.”
At the end of June that year, security researchers Ian Carroll and Sam Curry took a look at McHire, the hiring site about 90 percent of McDonald’s franchisees use, built by Paradox.ai around a chatbot named Olivia. A restaurant-owner test account accepted 123456 as both the username and the password. Behind it, by the researchers’ count, sat more than 64 million job applications, with names, email addresses, phone numbers and addresses. Paradox said the account hadn’t been logged into since 2019, that it should have been decommissioned, and that nobody but the researchers had used it. It was still accepting 123456.
Take-home projects carry a risk beyond the hours. Indeed surveyed Australian employers and workers for its Interview Tasks 2026 report, and 45 percent of employers admitted they had reused work a candidate submitted. Seventy-three percent said they’d lost candidates just by assigning a task. An event planner interviewing for a senior role told Skift Meetings she spent more than $1,000 of her own money on printing, binding, tablescapes and gifts to present two full event plans to an interview panel. She was rejected within two days. A friend inside the company later told her it had used elements of her proposal, “including the chocolates.”
Automated coding tests were supposed to be the objective part. Chungin “Roy” Lee, then a Columbia student, told NBC News that his LeetCode practice amounted to “the 600 most miserable hours of my life.” Then he built Interview Coder, which ran in a hidden window the interviewer couldn’t see and solved the problems with AI. By his account, it got him offers from Amazon, Meta, TikTok and Capital One. It also got him a yearlong suspension from Columbia. He dropped out, and investors put $5.3 million into his next company, Cluely, which marketed itself as a way to “cheat on everything.”
The labs that build the models can’t keep up either. Anthropic has hired performance engineers with a take-home optimization test since early 2024, and more than 1,000 candidates have completed it. By May 2025, given the same four-hour limit, Claude Opus 4 outperformed most of the human applicants. A later model, Claude Opus 4.5, matched the best human score within two hours. “We no longer had a way to distinguish between the output of our top candidates and our most capable model,” Tristan Hume, a lead on Anthropic’s performance optimization team, wrote in January. The test is on its third version. If the company that builds the model can’t tell its best applicants from its own product, the take-home on your kitchen table isn’t measuring you. It’s measuring how much of your weekend you’re willing to give away.
Three Interviews. After That, I Bill.
My rule since iolo is three interviews. One with the hiring manager, who owns the role and can tell me whether it’s real. One with the team I’d actually be working with. The third conversation is the offer. Anything beyond that is consulting, and consulting is billable.
If a company wants you, it’ll pay, and I know that because one did. In April 2014 I interviewed with Calavista, a software development firm in Austin, for an architect role. That afternoon the interviewer emailed me a requirements package he’d stitched together from a few of their past projects. A widget retailer was rewriting a PHP shopping application that couldn’t scale horizontally. The new one had to handle 50,000 orders a day at up to 20 a second, pass PCI with card data flowing through to a payment processor, integrate with every major carrier and an existing order management system, and load millions of inventory items on a regular basis. Three questions sat at the end. “Please take at least a week, but not more than two weeks,” he wrote. “As a token of appreciation for completing the assignment, we will give you $300, whether or not we hire you.”
They hired me.
iolo’s spec capped the work at two days and paid nothing. Calavista gave me at least a week to think it through and paid either way. One of those companies was shopping. The other was buying.
This summer a company interviewed me once, through a staffing recruiter for a forward deployed AI engineer position with a salary of 350k, and went quiet. A month later it scheduled a second interview, and nobody from the company showed up. Another month passed. Then the recruiter emailed to reschedule, on a thread whose subject line read “Salary Confirmation and Right to Represent.” On September 3, I told him tomorrow was fine, but I’d need $100 for my time for any interview with that client, and added, “That will teach them to not show up for the interview.” He wrote back that he understood the situation and asked for a five-minute call. I answered in one line. “Zelle $100 to my phone number and we can have a call.”
Some people will read that as petty. I’d call it a price list. A company that no-shows a scheduled interview has already told you what it thinks your time is worth, and the $100 corrects the record.
Companies That Want You Act Like It
There are two reasons not to entertain a company that’s misbehaving, and pride isn’t either of them.
The first is that you’re training it. Every unpaid round you sit for teaches the company the next one is free too, and a company that’s learned it can make you do whatever it wants has also learned it can lowball you. That’s the iolo sequence from start to finish. A weekend of free work went in, and an offer at 56 percent of my stated number came out, because by then I’d shown them where my line wasn’t.
The second is that they aren’t going to hire you anyway. In a survey of 2,500 workers in the U.S., U.K. and Germany published in December 2024, Greenhouse found that 61 percent of job seekers had been ghosted after a job interview, up nine points since that April. Its own platform data put 18 to 22 percent of the jobs posted there in any given quarter in the ghost job category, listings with no intent to hire behind them. Ontario got tired enough of all this that, since January 1, 2026, most employers there have been legally required to tell every applicant they interviewed whether a hiring decision has been made, within 45 days of the last interview. A government had to pass a law to make companies tell people no.
A company that wants you behaves differently, and you’ll recognize it when it happens. It flies you out. It puts you up somewhere decent and takes you to dinner. The people across the table are working to impress you, because they’re worried you’ll take somebody else’s offer. When the effort in a hiring process runs the other way, toward you proving yourself to a chatbot for the privilege of meeting a human, you’re not being recruited. You’re being browsed.
The Technical Round Is a Popularity Contest
The second interview, the one with the team, deserves its own warning. It’s usually decided before the technical questions start. People who like you don’t try to stomp you. A team that’s hostile from the handshake won’t hire you no matter how many right answers you give.
That isn’t cynicism. Lauren Rivera, a sociologist at Northwestern’s Kellogg School of Management, interviewed 120 people who hire for elite investment banks, law firms and consulting firms, and spent nine months inside one firm’s recruiting department. More than half of the evaluators ranked cultural fit, meaning perceived similarity in leisure pursuits, background and self-presentation, as the most important criterion at the interview stage. She published it in the American Sociological Review in 2012 under the title “Hiring as Cultural Matching.” “Employers don’t necessarily hire the most skilled candidates,” she said at the time. Technical skill doesn’t settle it either. In 2016 Aline Lerner of interviewing.io went through 1,316 technical interviews and found that only about 20 percent of interviewees performed consistently from one interview to the next. Her conclusion was that outcomes “really seem to be kind of arbitrary.”
I’ve lived the hostile version. Partway through one technical interview, I had to pull up Microsoft’s own documentation to show the interviewer that the answer he was grading me against was wrong. The documentation agreed with me. I obviously didn’t get the job.
If a panel turns on you in the first ten minutes, finish politely and put your energy into a company that wants you there. Being right in that room is worth nothing.
iolo Called Again
In March 2012, a recruiter sent me a confirmation. “Gal Ratner will meet with iolo technologies Wednesday April 4th @ 2pm to discuss the Lead of Web Systems role.” iolo had moved to North Figueroa Street in Eagle Rock by then. The subject line said “1st Onsite Interview.” First. The email listed four possible participants and came with parking instructions. Take a visitor spot, it said, because “all the rest of the spaces are reserved (even the ones that are not marked reserved).”
I didn’t show up. Yes, that’s the same move I wanted $100 for this September, and I don’t recommend it to anyone who needs a job. Send the email and decline. I just already knew how iolo hires, including the requirements nobody marks. They’d had my weekend in 2004. They weren’t getting my Wednesday.
About the Author
Gal Ratner has spent nearly thirty years building and shipping production software on the Microsoft and .NET stack, in VB.NET and C# alike, for clients including Microsoft, Sony, Rockstar Games, 2K Games, Best Buy, and Allegiant Air. He is Chief Architect at Prana Entertainment and the founder and CTO of Inverted Software and WhiteStar Labs, an enterprise software and AI consultancy based in Las Vegas. He was the sixth employee at Break.com during its run as one of the largest entertainment sites on the web, and a finalist for the Los Angeles Business Journal’s CTO of the Year.
His current work is agentic AI in production, including customer-facing agents like Cara, the shopping assistant for ShopSnap storefronts, built on MCP servers, the Microsoft Agent Framework, and SQL Server 2025 vector search. He writes about AI the way a practitioner sees it, bullish on what the tools can actually do and allergic to the marketing wrapped around them. He gives every company three interviews. After that, he’s happy to consult at his usual rate.
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